6 Dasher is in the same category of ballistic performance compared to 6mm Creedmoor, but with less recoil and much better barrel life. The .308—a fine design in and of itself—has been responsible for a number of successful cartridges, but the .243 has to be the most successful. It maintains the same case length as the 7x57mm Mauser and .257 Roberts, and the longer case offers a distinct capacity advantage over the .243 Winchester, which should equate to a respectable velocity advantage. Our brass is ready for load development and match ready. In 1978 Remington started manufacturing their Remington 40-X rifle in the 6mm BR and named their version of … 6 mm/243 Remington. The .244 Remington moved those 90-grain bullets at a muzzle velocity of right around 3200 fps, so it wasn't a terrible cartridge by any means. You must log in or register to reply here. The 109’s are tailored to cartridges such as 6mm Creedmoor, 6mm BR, 6 Dasher, 6XC, 6BRX, and 6×47 among others. Looking at the Hornady ballistics chart, the downrange energy of a 123 grain SST from the 6.5 Grendel and the 100 grain Interlock from the .243 are nearly identical. Punching holes in … SUBSCRIBE. The nice man behind the … 6mm Creedmoor vs. 243 Win An in-depth look at the 243 Win vs. 6mm Creedmoor rifle cartridges to see which ammo option works best. 6mm Creedmoor can certainly attain higher velocities, but for some situations recoil is a much more important consideration (like shooting off a barricade). ), and.240 Weatherby. Necking down of the 6.5 CM allowed the base to be fitted with a .243 cal bullet and allo… 6 mm Remington Imp 40. 6 & 6.5mm TCU 20 Tactical 20 Practical (think .223 necked down to .20cal) Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .473 +/-225 Winchester 22/250 Remington 6mm Norma BR 243 Winchester 250 Savage 260 Remington 6.5/284 Norma 7/08 Remington 284 Winchester 300 Savage 308 Winchester 338 Federal 35 Remington 358 Winchester 6 & 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 … We compare our Eagle Eye Precision Match loadings of each cartridge to help shooters determine which is the best choice for their applicati… 6mm Vartarg. It debuted in 1955 and has been immensely and justifiably popular ever since. Sniper’s Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. They may leave a bit on the table when compared to the 105-grain pills, but they certainly aren’t a terrible choice. We’ll start by looking at the 6mm BRX, which is identical to the 6BR except the shoulder is extended out 0.100”. 6mm Dasher Information Note: If you are looking for someone to chamber your rifle or re-barrel an existing rifle in the 6mm Dasher cartridge, Fred at Sabreco, Inc. in Skippack, PA (610) 584-8228 can help you with this. It’s no secret that the 6mm cartridges have a huge following; after all, they’re just about the best at doing double-duty on deer-sized game and varmints/predators. Because of this, high quality factory 6.5×47 Lapua brass is ready to load after a single pass through a full-length sizing die. Simply put, the .243 Winchester became the darling and the .244 Remington became the goat. (assuming you are running a tight-neck – which most Dasher shooters will do). 6mm TCU. 10. 243 vs 6mm Creedmoor vs 6.5mm Creedmoor. 6 mm SLR. 6BRX Load Data. The 6mm CM is basically a necked down version of the 6.5 Creedmoor. It was the wildcatters who brought it back to life by fiddling with a couple of popular designs. 6 mm XC. It is based on the .308 Winchester case, necked down with no other change. It offers the same stability factor as the industry-leading 105gr Hybrid Target and is a direct replacement for 1:8” twist barrels. It’s no secret that the 6mm cartridges have a huge following; after all, they’re just about the best at doing double-duty on deer-sized game and varmints/predators. The 6mm rounds have an average bullet drop of 11,” and the .243 Win rounds have an average of 11.6″. We have this down to a fine science and produce a great product. Step 1 – Neck-up the 6mmBR case to 6.5mm. Barring those two rounds from the conversation, there is only a .6” difference in bullet drop between the .243 Winchester vs 6mm Creedmoor rounds. But, I also believe the popularity of the .243 Winchester cannot be rivaled, and that the slight advantage that the 6mm Remington may offer isn’t enough to unseat the .243 in any way. getting everything lined up was the easy part choosing a caliber is the hard part for me. Hornady is claiming its 6mm ARC will yield 2,750 fps with a 108-grain ELD-M bullet from a 24-inch barrel. Company literature in 1955 described both bullets as “Soft Point.”. It shared its rebirth with the release of the Model 700 rifle, and while the rifle would go on to become the flagship of the Remington fleet, the 6mm Remington would not. Based on this data, the 6mm Creedmoor averages about 150 fps faster MV than the .243 Winchester with 95-100 grain hunting bullets. I personally believe that the 90-grain bullets, even those available in 1955, will get the job done on deer-sized game. (Lapua is the preferred brass). MDT says this new 12-round magazine is a “one-step solution [delivering] smooth, reliable feeding for the most popular rifle cartridges in precision rifle competitions.” And we realize that you are not cycling averages through your rifle out in the field. 6 mm Hagar. The HLR 6 Dasher brass is ready to load and sized to a 0.267 neck. 17. The Dasher is a bit short on capacity and the 243AI uses an additional 8-10 grs over the 6x47 for very little increase in velocity. Remington countered in the same year with their own design, based on the .257 Roberts—which was in turn based on the 7x57mm Mauser—necked to hold the 6mm bullets. And even the 6 Dasher crowd would say that to compete at 1000 yards, you should use a 28"-30" heavy contour barrel, neck-turned cases, and Varget powder. Maybe the 6mm Creedmoor has the potential to rival the .243 with a strong marketing push, but realize that the .243 Winchester remains in the top ten in cartridge sales; the popularity is still that strong. The 6mm bore diameter had all but faded by 1955; the only popular 6mm cartridge prior to the release of this pair was the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge, and that cartridge was virtually obsolete by the 1930s. Winchester’s strategy for the .243 was twofold and well thought out. I shot my biggest whitetail deer to date with a .243 Winchester in Texas—with, of all things, an 85-grain Federal Trophy Copper bullet—and have many friends who find it to be absolutely perfect for deer. Looking from an unbiased perspective (regarding sales and popular opinion) I find the .244/6mm Remington to be the superior of the two designs. The popularity of 6mm cartridges has waxed and waned over the decades, but appears to be peaking again. 6mm BR Remington. Hornady 6mm ARC Losing Ground. 6. It uses a shorter case than the.243 Winchester—1.920-inch vs. 2.045 inches—allowing for a longer bullet length outside the case in the same length magazine, and maintains the 6.5 Creedmoor’s 30-degree shoulder. Over the past decade the 6.5 Creedmoor has become among the most popular long range shooting cartridges available. While the .243 Winchester gets the nod, and will continue to do so, I wouldn’t turn down a rifle chambered for 6mm Remington, or even for the slower twist .244 Remington. The 6mm Dasher was the most popular cartridge overall among these shooters with 27% of the top-ranked shooters in the PRS & NRL choosing to run that cartridge. After scanning the equipment list for the recent 600-yard IBS Nationals, one of our readers noted how the 6mm Dasher dominated the Top 10 list in both Light Gun and Heavy Gun Classes. The reviews took their toll, and the .244 Remington began to wither. He has the reamers for the cartridge as well as the head space gages for the cartridge, and has had extensive experience setting up and chambering many barrels and … Who's the winner? Any discussion of great 6mm cartridges must start (some would say end) with the .243 Winchester. Well, Richard broke the World Record with a compact Shehane Baby Tracker stock, unturned cases, Reloader 15 powder, and a 26" Rem Varmint contour barrel with 1500+ rounds on it. As a caliber, the 6mm has the least number of commercial members. Let’s look at each of them to see which will come out on top. (Lapua is the preferred brass). The 100-grain bullets, moving along at over 3000 fps, made excellent deer medicine, delivering plenty of hydraulic shock that will switch a deer ‘off’ so well. The case capacity is a good match, meaning efficient use of the powder, for the 6mm bore. The 6×47 Lapua (6-6.5×47 Lapua) is a wildcat created by necking down the 6.5X47 Lapua to 6mm (not to be confused with the 6X47 which is a 222 Remington Magnum necked up to 6mm). Both—in theory—had the goods to achieve the stated goal: to handle deer, pronghorn antelope, woodchucks and coyotes alike. a run for its money due to its superb accuracy. Step 1 – Neck-up the 6mmBR case to 6.5mm. The .244 Remington was the legitimate version of RCBS’ Fred Huntington’s .243 Rock Chucker wildcat, giving plenty of case capacity for the bore diameter. Step 2 – Neck-down just part of the neck – to 6mm (to hold the primer firmly against the boltface in your longer Dasher chamber). For example the Average Velocity at 30" was 16 fps higher than at 28". Several 6mm BR variants exist apart from the Remington and Norma versions: the 6mm BRX, 6mm Dasher, 6 mm BRBS 6 mm UBL. 22 CAL 1-7, 8, 9, 12, & 14 twists, 6.5 available on 26″ or shorter barrels only 223 Rem, 223 Rem Match, 223 Wylde, 223 A.I., 22-250, 22-250 A.I., 220 Swift, 224 Valkyrie, 22 Creedmoor 25 CAL 1-10 twist (assuming you are running a tight-neck – which most Dasher shooters will do). But when the .308 Win. 2. At Kittery Trading Post today, my rheumy eye settled on a heavy-stainless-steel barreled Remington with the bolt handle on the correct, or left side. 6mm XC II. 6 x 47 (6 mm/222 Mag) 1. The rifle already had Badger bottom metal and Dasher rounds feed fine from either 5 or 10 round mags. 6 x 47 Lapua. It has remained in relative obscurity since its release, though the cartridge is still a solid design; being the descendant of the 7x57mm is certainly not a bad thing. 44. You can find the 6 Dasher Load Data here, but this article will focus on the other three 6BR-based cases a significant number of these top precision rifle competitors were using. The .244 could handle bullets weighing up to 90 grains with that twist rate, and that simply wasn’t heavy enough for the deer hunters; or was it? by Philip Massaro - MDT’s 6mm BR magazine fits the parent 6mmBR cartridge and all the popular varients including the 6 BRA, 6 Dasher, and 6 BRX. And though the push is on to develop .22 centerfires that rival the performance of the pair of 6mms (read .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie), there will always be those who have that attachment to the performance of the 6mm cartridges. This would prove to be the downfall of the cartridge, at least in the court of popular opinion. Today, the 6mm is showing that it may be even better-suited to shooting tiny groups at 1,000 yards. I've loaded for .243 for years and always liked the caliber - especially for our little TX deer. See Photo Gallery. Mag. Pushing 105 - 108 at 3050 fps. 8. 1. JavaScript is disabled. Snow has found this extends brass life, … Due to the fact that it uses the 6.5 Creedmoor as a parent case and performs similarly to the .243 Winchester, the 6mm Creedmoor is most often compared to those two cartridges. 7. That’s where 6 Dasher comes in. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. But Sam Hall won the Grand Agg with a straight 6BR, Mike Davis won the Heavy Gun Agg with a 6BRX, and Richard Schatz won the Light … Lighter predator/varmint loads were also available, but the bullets on the heavier end of the spectrum are what drew the attention. Step 2 – Neck-down just part of the neck – to 6mm (to hold the primer firmly against the boltface in your longer Dasher chamber). Head to Head: .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington. 30. Both were well-marketed and were introduced in the finest rifles of the day. I feel the 6mm Remington would be an excellent hunting cartridge when mated with modern bullets, especially some of the monometals. Multiple sources offer 6 Dasher brass and dies, and Lapua offers 6 BR brass which is easily fireformed to Dasher (I use a false shoulder with nearly standard loads) - and both will use ~30grn of Varget or 8208, 30-35ish for the Dasher, 25-30 for this 6 ARC. The Average Velocities showed a pretty steady increase of 8 fps per inch past 28". Prior to the 1950s the most successful American 6mm/.243-inch cartridge was the 6mm Lee Navy. 400 Corbon. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. I feel the 6mm Remington would be an excellent hunting cartridge when mated with modern bullets, especially some of the monometals. The 6x47 is very similar in capacity to my 6mm/22-250. 6 mm x 45. Whether or not that higher velocity is needed is a personal question, as there are obviously no flies on the .243 Winchester. 33. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Of the 47 shooters using a 6 Dasher, 100% of them were using handloaded ammo. At Kittery Trading Post today, my rheumy eye settled on a heavy-stainless-steel barreled Remington with the bolt handle on the correct, or left side. This brass is formed with a custom die. 1. so here is the deal I am currently having benchmark build me another rifle. The 6mm Dasher was the most popular cartridge overall among these shooters with 27% of the top-ranked shooters in the PRS & NRL choosing to run that cartridge. 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That really surprised me. 6 Dasher is in the same category of ballistic performance compared to 6mm Creedmoor, but with less recoil and much better barrel life. 6 & 6.5mm TCU 20 Tactical 20 Practical (think .223 necked down to .20cal) Short actions with a bolt face .Dia of .473 +/-225 Winchester 22/250 Remington 6mm Norma BR 243 Winchester 250 Savage 260 Remington 6.5/284 Norma 7/08 Remington 284 Winchester 300 Savage 308 Winchester 338 Federal 35 Remington 358 Winchester 6 & 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 Lapua 6XC Re: 6mm dasher vs. 6x47 vs. 243ai Have had good results with the 6 Dasher, rebarreled a Rem. 6 mm Rem BR (Benchrest) 3. They revised the rifle and ammunition, equipping it with a 1:9″ twist rate in 1958 and renamed the cartridge the 6mm Remington in 1963. 35. 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U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)-Your AR-15 is a ton of fun at close range. This seems strange, because the .243 case actually has about 4 grains greater capacity, which should translate to somewhat higher velocity. 6mm Creedmoor. While the .243 Winchester is probably the greatest of the great 6mms, the 6mm Creedmoor, which blossomed in 2017, is giving the .243 Win. The two at the top of the heap—the .243 Winchester and the 6mm Remington—have been rivals since birth, and continue to be. 1. But, I also believe the popularity of the .243 Winchester cannot be rivaled, and that the slight advantage that the 6mm Remington may offer isn’t enough to unseat the .243 in any way. More. 1. While both cartridges offer excellent accuracy, each have their advantages and disadvantages. Very similar barrel life, but ~200fps faster for the Dasher. Well, Richard broke the World Record with a compact Shehane Baby Tracker stock, unturned cases, Reloader 15 powder, and a 26" Rem Varmint contour barrel with 1500+ rounds on it. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Recently, the 6mm Creedmoor cartridge which propels lighter thinner 6mm/.243 caliber bullets at higher velocities is becoming an attractive alternative. (originally the.244 Rem. 8. Of the 47 shooters using a 6 Dasher, 100% of them were using handloaded ammo. And even the 6 Dasher crowd would say that to compete at 1000 yards, you should use a 28"-30" heavy contour barrel, neck-turned cases, and Varget powder. We have shot this brass for over 5 years and it is match proven. You are using an out of date browser. What are the 6mm Cartridges: It is somewhat counterintuitive that cartridges like the 6 BRA and 6mm Dasher, which have less powder capacity than the .243 Win., can launch relatively tiny 105-grain VLD (Very Low Drag) bullets more accurately at 1,000 yards than, say, a .300 Win. It actually shares .308 Winchester lineage with the .243, as the 6.5mm Creedmoor case is based on a necked-down .30 T/C case and the .30 T/C is based on a shortened .308 Winchester case with a sharper shoulder. 6mm Dasher Information Note: If you are looking for someone to chamber your rifle or re-barrel an existing rifle in the 6mm Dasher cartridge, Fred at Sabreco, Inc. in Skippack, PA (610) 584-8228 can help you with this. It consists of a mcmillan A5 fully adj. Topics: 6mmBR Improved, 6mm BRX, 6mm Dasher, 6 BRDX, 6mm BR Norma, Remington 6mm DASHERThe popular Dasher is very accurate and has set many records. 6mm Creedmoor can certainly attain higher velocities, but for some situations recoil is a much more important consideration (like shooting off a barricade). Check Prices . 6 Dasher Load Data. It has a bit more neck than the BRX. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. This cartridge is new to the shooting world, but it has been winning target competitions and bringing down animals at a high rate since its inception.The 6mm Creedmoor is nearly identical to the 6.5 CM which we have reviewed and compared to the .243 Win in a previous article. 6 mm Remington. This is 6 Dasher Hydroformed Lapua Brass. Step 3 – Neck-turn the 6mm portion of the neck. Based on this study, you're not going to gain much by going from 28" to 30". The old 243 Winchester can beat that by about 300 fps. 6 mm/223 Remington. However, they started a huge rivalry; one that would result in what may have been the unfair condemnation of a perfectly viable cartridge. 6 x 47 Remington. 6 Dasher Load Data. The 90-grain bullets have a sectional density (SD) of 0.218 in comparison to the 105-grain bullet’s SD of 0.266, so the difference is there, but I don’t think it’s a deal breaker. .243 Winchester. 1. March 21, 2018 By Brad Fitzpatrick. Friday, August 17, 2018. But it was condemned by the hunting community for the lack of bullet weight. 1. That’s where 6 Dasher comes in. The cartridge was mated to the Remington Model 722 rifle—a solid design—but with a 1:12″ twist rate. September 20th, 2009 6BR vs. Dasher vs. 6BRX for 600 Yards. And world-record-holder Richard Schatz is getting 3025fps with his 6 Dasher using a 26" Hart barrel. .224 Valkyrie vs. 6.5 Grendel: The Ultimate Battle of 1,000 Yard AR-15s. All of these cartridges, along with the .243 Win., share the .308's .473 rim diameter and .470 head diameter. PSS with a 24" 7.8 twist barrel. Step 3 – Neck-turn the 6mm portion of the neck. The .243 Winchester is simply the .308 Winchester necked down to hold .243″ diameter bullets. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? in gap camo, fn spr reciever, cdi dbm system and I have a medium palma 6mm 8 twist 8 flute barrel and it will be a finish length of 26". by Philip Massaro - Friday, August 17, 2018. They’re easy on the shoulder, allowing the shooter to accurately place his or her shots, yet have enough horsepower to dump a deer in its tracks. The Hornady 6mm ARC takes the 24-caliber into record territory — the slowest muzzle velocity of any commercial cartridge propelling .243” bullets. Both cartridges were released in 1955, and both were derived from another existing cartridge. Released in the Model 70 bolt-action, Model 100 autoloader and Model 88 lever-action, the .243 Winchester was designed with a 1:10″ twist rate, and factory loads using bullets as heavy as 100 grains. 40 S&W.
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